From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Thu Oct 14 11:22:59 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 14 Oct 1993 15:33:22 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 14 Oct 1993 15:32:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199310141932.AA20611@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0721; Thu, 14 Oct 93 15:30:22 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1214; Thu, 14 Oct 93 15:26:10 EDT Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 15:22:59 EDT Reply-To: Jorge LLambias Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge LLambias Subject: Re: more on fat gismu To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Status: RO X-Status: la lojbab cusku di'e > OK. John seems to have found the argument on sorcu that I couldn't bring to > mind, and I will be sticking with the current place structure unless > further convinced. Let's try. "They are collecting the supplies needed for the trip." "Our reserve of wood is going fast." In these cases, there may or may not be a container for the sorcu, and it is totally irrelevant if there is. I don't see the need for the physical location of supplies in general, which don't really need to have a physical location. I'm not saying that x3 is the same as x1, which I agree is an abstract concept. x3 is a vasru, and a vasru may contain a sorcu or many other things, but a sorcu need not be contained in a vasru. co'o mi'e xorxes