From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Sun Oct 17 03:38:08 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sun, 17 Oct 1993 07:39:04 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sun, 17 Oct 1993 07:39:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199310171139.AA01366@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8749; Sun, 17 Oct 93 07:37:04 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3566; Sun, 17 Oct 93 07:39:55 EDT Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 07:38:08 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: rely X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: Here's an interesting one. lacri means x1 relies on x2. How do you turn this around to form "reliable"? You COULD say that se lacri means that x2 is POTENTIALLY reliable, but that is not how we typically use the word. I have thought of (se) snadylacri, but to successfully-rely on something might merely mean that you overcame your doubts/better judgement. Also, what, if any is the overlap between "relies" and "expects"? How to we express x1 expects x2 (event)? lojbab lojbab