From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Wed Oct 20 03:10:57 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 20 Oct 1993 07:11:37 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 20 Oct 1993 07:11:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199310201111.AA01366@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1148; Wed, 20 Oct 93 07:09:35 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0931; Wed, 20 Oct 93 07:12:26 EDT Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 07:10:57 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: (attention Ivan!) demonstrative predicate cmavo needed? X-To: nsn@MULLIAN.EE.MU.OZ.AU X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: "ta'i la'edi'u" does not work unless the way you want to reference was discussed in the last sentence. I want to point to something and say "this way" i.e. "ta'i ti". But I also want to be able to use a predicate OTHER than with "ta'i", as for example in a tanru. Nora's best solution was "simsa be ta", and John came up with "me ta" as did I, but the latter suggests "ta" is a sumti, and the former is ambiguous as to whether "ta" is a thing or a relationship. lojbab