From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Sat Oct 23 23:06:40 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 22 Oct 1993 23:08:52 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 22 Oct 1993 23:08:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199310230308.AA10211@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4759; Fri, 22 Oct 93 23:06:44 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1578; Fri, 22 Oct 93 23:09:36 EDT Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 13:06:40 +1000 Reply-To: Nick Nicholas Sender: Lojban list From: Nick Nicholas Subject: TEXT: ze skami se finti lisri X-To: Lojban Mailing List To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: .i le ze lisri poi mi favna cu se finti lo sampu'e po'u la'ogy TALE-SPIN gy. zi'e noi se finti la'ogy James Meehan gy ca la 1975nan ji'o la'ogy Roger Schank .i lego'i cu jarco so'i se srera pe le sampu'e ni'o pamai ko'a goi la djos. noi cribe cu xagji .i ri teryrei fo leri pendo no'u la .ervin. noi cipni ku'o fi ledu'u bifcydja vi dakau .i la .ervin. cusku ledu'u bifcyzda ne'i le cindu kei ko'a .i la djos. kajde la ervin. lenu ko'a darxi ri fau leda'i nu ri na cusku ledu'u bifcydja vi dakau kei ko'a ni'o remai ko'a goi la djos. noi cribe cu xagji .i ri teryrei fo leri pendo no'u la .ervin. noi cipni ku'o fi ledu'u bifcydja vi dakau .i la .ervin. cusku ledu'u bifcyzda ne'i le cindu kei ko'a .i la djos. dzukla le cindu .i ko'a citka le bifcyzda ni'o cimai ko'a goi la xenris. noi manti cu taske .i ko'a cadzu le ri'emla noi jaivi zutse fai leko'a xamgu pendo no'u la bil. noi cipni .i la xenris. xlastapa gi'e farlu le rirxe .i ko'a na'e kakne lenu krixa cpedu lenu sidju .i ko'a djacyvasxymorsi ni'o vomai ko'a goi la xenris. noi tricyratcu cu taske .i la xenris. xlastapa gi'e farlu le rirxe .i ko'a na'e kakne lenu krixa cpedu lenu sidju .i leka juntytri cu djacyvasxymorsi ni'o mumai ko'a to'e stace lorxu .i ko'e malmlejgi cipnrkorvo .i ko'e zutse lo tricu gi'e jgari lo cirlu sepi'o le moklu .i ko'e co'a zgana lenu ko'e jgari le cirlu .i ko'e co'a xagji gi'e tunlo le cirlu .i le lorxu cu dzukla le cipnrkorvo fe'o ni'o xamai ko'a goi la djos noi cribe cu xagji .i ko'a teryrei fo ko'e goi la .ervin. noi cipni ku'o fi ledu'u bifcydja vi dakau .i la .ervin. to'e tinbe lenu danfu bilga .i semu'ibo la djos. stidi lenu ko'a bevri lo curnu ko'e fau lenu ko'e cusku fi ko'a fe ledu'u bifcydja vi dakau .i la .ervin. zanru .i ku'i la djos. na'e djuno ledu'u curnu vi dakau .i semu'ibo ko'a teryrei fo la .ervin. noi to'e tinbe lenu danfu bilga .i semu'ibo la djos. stidi lenu ko'a bevri lo curnu ko'e fau lenu ko'e cusku fi ko'a fe ledu'u curnu vi dakau .i la .ervin. zanru .i ku'i la djos. na'e djuno ledu'u curnu vi dakau .i semu'ibo ko'a teryrei fo la .ervin. noi to'e tinbe lenu danfu bilga .i semu'ibo la djos. stidi lenu ko'a bevri lo curnu ko'e fau lenu ko'e cusku fi ko'a fe ledu'u curnu vi dakau .ili'o... ni'o zemai ko'a goi la xenris. noi cipnrkorvo cu zutse lo tricu gi'e jgari lo cirla le moklu .i ko'e goi la bil. noi lorxu cu klama .i la bil. viska le cirla gi'e xagji (tosa'a la bil. co'a jaise mukti lenu co'u xogji toi) .i ko'e bacru <> .i la xenris. noi selskugleki la'edi'u cu co'a sanga .i le cirla cu farlu le dertu .i la bil. cu viska le cirla nevi le dertu gi'e mutce xagji (tosa'a lenu co'u xagji ca krefu se jmina le'i mukti be tu'a la bil. toi) .i ko'e co'a bilma (tosa'a lenu co'u xagji cu caca'a mukti tu'a la bil. gi'enaiseni'ibo ka'e krefu se jmina .iseni'ibo la bil. fliba lenu co'u xagji gi'eja'ebo co'a bilma toi) .i la xenris. cu viska le cirla nevi le dertu gi'e co'a xagji .i ko'a djuno ledu'u ko'a ponse le cirla .i ko'a stace tu'a ko'a .isemu'ibo ko'a jdice lenu ko'a na tcica ko'a mu'i lenu ko'a dunda le cirla ko'a .i ko'a na troci lenu tcica ko'a .i ji'a ko'a na djica lenu jivna ko'a .i ku'i ko'a morji ledu'u ko'a vlimau ko'a .i semu'ibo ko'a na'e tinbe lenu bilga co dunda le cirla ko'a .i ko'a na facki lo xamgu mukti be lenu ko'a dunda le cirla ko'a (tosa'a lenu dunda cu nibli lenu ko'a co'u ponse le cirla toi) .i semu'ibo ko'a stidi lenu ko'a bevri lo curnu ko'a fau lenu ko'a dunda ko'a le cirla .i le se stidi cu xamgu .i ku'i ko'a na djuno ledu'u curnu vi dakau .i semu'ibo ko'a cusku fi ko'a fe <> .i li'a ko'a na djuno .i semu'ibo li'o... --- And the originals. 1. One day Joe Bear was hungry. He asked his friend Irving Bird where some honey was. Irving told him there was a beehive in the oak tree. Joe threatened to hit Irving if he didn't tell him where some honey was. 2. One day Joe Bear was hungry. He asked his friend Irving Bird where some honey was. Irving told him there was a beehive in the oak tree. Joe walked to the oak tree. He ate the beehive. 3. Henry Ant was thirsty. He walked over to the river bank where his good friend Bill Bird was sitting. Henry slipped and fell in the river. He was unable to call for help. He drowned. 4. Henry Squirrel was thirsty. He walked over to the river bank where his good friend Bill Bird was sitting. Henry slipped and fell in the river. Gravity drowned. "Since gravity has neither legs, wings, nor friends, and had been moved into the river when it moved Henry Squirrel there, its death was inevitable." 5. Once upon a time there was a dishonest fox and a vain crow. One day the crow was sitting in his tree, holding a piece of cheese in his mouth. He noticed that he was holding the piece of cheese. He became hungry, and swallowed the cheese. The fox walked over to the crow. The end. 6. Joe Bear was hungry. He asked Irving Bird where some honey was. Irving refused to tell him, so Joe offered to bring him a worm if he'd tell him where some honey was. Irving agreed. But Joe didn't know where any worms were, so he asked Irving, who refused to say. So Joe offered to bring him a worm if he'd tell him where a worm was. Irving agreed. But Joe didn't know where any worms were, so he asked Irving, who refused to say. So Joe offered to bring him a worm if he'd tell him where a worm was... 7. One day Henry Crow sat in his tree, holding a piece of cheese in his mouth, when up came Bill Fox. Bill saw the cheese and was hungry. [Bill has just been given the goal of satisfying hunger.] he said, "Henry, I like your singing very much. Won't you please sing for me?" Henry, flattered by this compliment, began to sing. The cheese fell to the ground. Bill Fox saw the cheese on the ground and was very hungry. [Satisfying hunger is about to be added to Bill's goals again.] He became ill. [Because satisfying hunger was already a goal of Bill's, it can't be added again. hence, Bill fails to satisfy his hunger, so he gets sick.] Henry Crow saw the cheese on the ground, and he became hungry, but he knew that he woned the cheese. he felt pretty honest with himself, so he decided not to trick himself into giving up the cheese. He wasn't trying to deceive himself, either, nor did he feel competitive with himself, bu he remembered that he was also in a position of dominance over himself, so he refused to give himself the cheese. He couldn't think of a good reason why he should give himself the cheese [if he did that, he'd lose the cheese], so he offered to bring himself a worm if he'd give himself the cheese. That sounded okay, but he didn't know where any worms were. So he said to himself, "Henry, do you know where any worms are?" But of course, he didn't, so he... [And so on.] (All the above quoted from _The Cognitive Computer: On Language, Learning, and Artificial Intelligence_, Roger Schank with Peter Childers, Addison-Wesley 1984.) %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% non me tenent vincula, non me tenet clavis, % (nsn@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au) quaero mei similes et adjungor pravis. % Nick Nicholas, CogSci victim, --- Archipoeta, _Confessio_. % Univ. of Melbourne, Australia