From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Thu Oct 28 05:09:39 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 28 Oct 1993 12:21:53 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 28 Oct 1993 12:21:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199310281621.AA07535@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5764; Thu, 28 Oct 93 12:19:41 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 5775; Thu, 28 Oct 93 12:22:37 EDT Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 09:09:39 EDT Reply-To: "Robert J. Chassell" Sender: Lojban list From: "Robert J. Chassell" Subject: Re: {cikre} as fat gismu X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: <9310140102.AA23925@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu> (message from Jorge LLambias on Wed, 13 Oct 1993 21:00:50 EDT) Status: RO X-Status: la xorxes cusku di'e Here's a fat verb-gismu: {cikre}. What's the rationale for x3 and x4? cikre repair 'fix' x1 repairs/mends/fixes x2 for use x3 by user x4 Every repair that I have encountered in my life has been for some purpose. I have never met an unmotivated repair. (I've seen repairs that were not necessary for the object or institution `fixed', but these repairs had uses: to make money for the repairer or to hurt competitors.) Likewise, fixes or repairs have an intended user. They must be! There is no way to avoid making a repair for some user. If the work is not done for a user, it is not a repair, but some other activity, such as art. Also, as a practical matter, {te cikre} is a very useful expression, since it defines what a rebuilt artifact is used for, which may be different than its original purpose. This will become more important as recycling becomes more important. Robert J. Chassell bob@gnu.ai.mit.edu Rattlesnake Mountain Road bob@grackle.stockbridge.ma.us Stockbridge, MA 01262-0693 USA (413) 298-4725