From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Thu Oct 7 07:35:29 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 7 Oct 1993 11:52:49 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 7 Oct 1993 11:52:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199310071552.AA01266@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3412; Thu, 07 Oct 93 11:50:50 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7494; Thu, 07 Oct 93 11:43:47 EDT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 11:35:29 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: Lean Lujvo and fat gismu To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu In-Reply-To: <199310070029.AA10734@access.digex.net> from "Jorge LLambias" at Oct 6, 93 08:27:35 pm Status: RO X-Status: mi'e .djan. .i la xorxes. cusku di'e > What I would say is a waste of gismu is to have the vehicle place, which > makes them useless to say, for example, that the Moon travels around the > Earth, unless it's in some mythological carriage, It occurred to me this morning that this case is a red herring. The Moon does not {klama} around the Earth, nor {litru} around it; what it really does is to {mluni} around it. Check the place structure: "mluni" is both the noun "satellite" and the verb "to orbit" (unless the orbitee is a star, in which case "plini" is more appropriate). > or that a body travels > with constant velocity if no force is applied to it, or that a bullet > takes 3 seconds in going from A to B, and things like that. In these cases > you do need some heavy zi'oing. The best I could come up with for this > sort of thing is {sezmu'u}, but this is very unsatisfactory. I agree that "sezmu'u" won't do. Technically, all such ballistic motions are also orbits, so "mluni fo A bi'o B" would work, but I admit that this usage is a bit strained. I don't know the answer. Perhaps "farlu" is best; it does not involve a means. "sezmu'u" sounds more like "locomote": it is related to "klama". -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.