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From: ucleaar <ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Lean Lujvo and fat gismu
To:         lojban@cuvma.BITNET
In-Reply-To:  (Your message of Fri, 08 Oct 93 12:22:27 EDT.)
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> > > I can imagine that it could be the case that:
> > >
> > >         mi ca ba'o cliva le frasygu'e
> > >
> > > an simultaneously false that:
> > >
> > >         mi ca ba'o klama zi'o le frasygu'e
> >
> > I can't imagine that this could be the case. Can you explain?
> > ---
> > And
> I was thinking something like: I'm in a boat in the middle of the Atlantic,
> I left France 2 weeks ago, but I'm still going from France. No destination
> really, I might decide to keep going around for a while, or even return to
> France, it's just a {klama be zi'o}...
>
> Jorge

You would be right only if the semantics of cliva were further defined
as being an achievement. To safely capture the meaning you want for
cliva, I'd advise using the cmavo for 'achievement' (which is in NU,
I think). But you could equally well use this cmavo with "klama
fe ziho".

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