From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Sat Oct 9 17:00:00 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sat, 9 Oct 1993 11:03:05 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sat, 9 Oct 1993 11:03:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199310091503.AA03918@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0879; Sat, 09 Oct 93 11:01:12 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7095; Sat, 09 Oct 93 11:04:05 EDT Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 16:00:00 +0100 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar To: lojban@cuvma.BITNET In-Reply-To: (Your message of Sat, 09 Oct 93 06:21:39 D.) Status: RO X-Status: Lojbab: > Subject: vehicle/means places on various gismu, litru vs. klama > > There seems to be some confusion about these places. A "vehicle or > means" does not necessarily imply some physical "thing" carrying you. > If you "walk" the means is your legs. I would NOT rule out spirits > "leaving" the body at death. Indeed "death" in this case would seem to > be the means. Death is the means more in the way that a door can be a means for leaving, whereas the means place I'd thought was for the means of locomotion. I am all in favour of treating non-physical motions and changes as klamaing, but I merely note your opposition to the use of metaphor in Lojban. Perhaps you will allow spirits to cliva a body, but not 'the life force' to. ('allow' = 'approve of') > As for route places, they are a little bit trickier. But those trai ned > in math certainly have concepts of vectors and directed line segments > that have an origin and do not necessarily have a destination. How would one express the direction of an asymptotic route, a route that gets infinitely nearer to its goal but never arrives, however much litruing there is? ---- And