Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 7 Oct 1993 02:53:32 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 7 Oct 1993 02:53:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199310070653.AA20817@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1021; Thu, 07 Oct 93 02:51:41 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 4858; Thu, 07 Oct 93 02:54:24 EDT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 02:52:27 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: Lean Lujvo and fat gismu X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Wed Oct 6 22:52:27 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET In a time free sense, "klama be zi'o" = "cliva". at least I think so, in 10-second analysis. The moment you start putting tenses on either, I am not sure what equivalences can be postulated. Probably it DOES say something about the semantics of the two words. The suggestion you make for example, sounds like "cliva" might be "co'i klama be zi'o", and maybe that is true. I don;t know, and don;t wnat to make the tenses mandatory, even conceptually, as part of the definitions of terms right now. Surely the suggestion you make is in keeping with at least one view of the English language concept of "leaving" vs. "going" Butr who is yet to say what the Lojban concepts really mean or how they differ. The leywords are meant to help people work out a concept in their own minds, and are not intended to be definitional. I'd rather see definitions at that level wait until people are capable of fluent LOjban thought without recourse to natural languyage. lojbab