Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 7 Oct 1993 12:47:52 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 7 Oct 1993 12:47:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199310071647.AA00546@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3984; Thu, 07 Oct 93 12:45:57 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 8598; Thu, 07 Oct 93 12:48:12 EDT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 12:45:22 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: long, but major topic: lean lujvo and fat gismu X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: <199310071638.AA10834@access.digex.net> from "Jorge LLambias" at Oct 7, 93 12:37:43 pm Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Thu Oct 7 08:45:22 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET mi'e .djan. .i la xorxes. cusku di'e > > The latter makes a single claim with a single value for the elided places, > > but that value may be complex. > > > > If I go from England to France, and you from Argentina to the U.S., then > > "mi'o" may be said to have a destination of France, or the U.S., or > > France {joi} the U.S. > > You can really say {mi'o klama le frasygu'e} when only one of us is going? > That's really confusing. I suppose {mi'o klama le frasygu'e joi le mergu'e} > is slightly better. Oh yes. The properties of a mass are the properties of its components, plus any emergent properties it may have. Indeed, I can say "mi'o klama" even if you are not going anyplace, or (in lojbab's graphic example) if I cut your hand off and take it with me! English occasionally uses "we" as a mass pronoun in this way: We're having a baby/We're pregnant may be used by the male member of a couple, e.g. -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.