Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 26 Oct 1993 10:24:22 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 26 Oct 1993 10:24:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199310261424.AA03660@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4648; Tue, 26 Oct 93 10:22:11 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3883; Tue, 26 Oct 93 10:22:13 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 00:18:58 +1000 Reply-To: Nick Nicholas Sender: Lojban list From: Nick Nicholas Subject: Re: TECH: (attention Ivan!) demonstrative predicate cmavo needed? X-To: lojbab@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET X-Cc: Lojban Mailing List To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: <199310261404.AA29421@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU> from "Logical Language Group" at Oct 26, 93 09:38:44 am Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Wed Oct 27 10:18:58 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET To Logical Language Group respond I thus: #mi'e .djan. .i la lojbab. cusku di'e John finds me in agreement, with the exception of: #> Thus, #> for the usage "do it this way and not that way" you can express it using #> "ta'i ti .enai ta" and the fact that tadji takes a predicate means that #> you are OK more or less. #Yes, well, it's sumti raising. "ta'i tu'a ti .enai tu'a ta", or else #"ta'i tu'a lu'a ti .enai ta" is better, strictly speaking. Still, I agree #that using "ta" where an event is expected is probably clear enough. Lojbab was right about the grammar of it: it's ta'i tu'a ti .enai ta, or ta'i tu'a ti lu'u .enai tu'a ta %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% %%% non me tenent vincula, non me tenet clavis, % (nsn@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au) quaero mei similes et adjungor pravis. % Nick Nicholas, CogSci victim, --- Archipoeta, _Confessio_. % Univ. of Melbourne, Australia