Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 14 Oct 1993 14:30:44 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 14 Oct 1993 14:30:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199310141830.AA18617@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0423; Thu, 14 Oct 93 14:28:16 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0603; Thu, 14 Oct 93 14:31:09 EDT Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 14:27:01 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: more on fat gismu X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Thu Oct 14 10:27:01 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET I will accept your argument on sorcu, though I'm not really convinced. I am also deleting the x4 of cikre. I had something specific in mind there but I suspect that it meets the same argument as this one. There are indeed two different semantic roles, I am sure, but whether in practice you have situatuions where a distinction is necessary that cannot be conveyed within one sumti is a little harder to argue. I am inclined to make muvdu non-agentive, per your suggestion (it had already occured to me), but want to consider further. lojbab