Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sat, 23 Oct 1993 10:13:54 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sat, 23 Oct 1993 10:13:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199310231413.AA02274@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5211; Sat, 23 Oct 93 10:11:49 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3710; Sat, 23 Oct 93 10:14:43 EDT Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 10:11:58 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: Topic constructions and prenexes X-To: nsn@MULLIAN.EE.MU.OZ.AU X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Sat Oct 23 06:11:58 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Ah, but if you put a le sumti with the appropriate bi'u/bi'unai in if necessary, into the prenex, you are not typically introducing a new referent. It was the recognition that we had this handy construction that has little meaning with anything other than a quantified bound variable in it, but which can take any other kind of sumti, that led me to feel that the use of any such other sumti could be taken to be a topicalizing (and the use of a quantified variable also makes it a topic - we don't have a clear way to DE-topicalize a quantified variable in the prenex). Indeed, I cannnot come up with any other interpretation for a reference to an old referent in the prenex, OTHER than to topicalize it. lojbab