Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 6 Oct 1993 19:37:02 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 6 Oct 1993 19:36:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199310062336.AA04275@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9110; Wed, 06 Oct 93 19:33:54 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 2701; Wed, 06 Oct 93 19:35:44 EDT Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 19:34:00 EDT Reply-To: Jorge LLambias Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge LLambias Subject: Re: Lean Lujvo and fat gismu X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Wed Oct 6 15:34:00 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET la djan cusku di'e > > 1) mi klama fi le frasygu'e > I come from France > > 2) mi cliva le frasygu'e > I leave France. > Just to add some confusion here. mi ca cliva le frasygu'e Does this mean that I'm leaving France right now? mi ca klama fi le frasygu'e mi ca ba'o cliva le frasygu'e Are these two compatible? If they are, then {cliva} doesn't seem to be equivalent to {klama be zi'o}. If they aren't, then it seems wrong to translate {cliva} as "leave". Jorge