Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 13 Oct 1993 21:20:06 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 13 Oct 1993 21:19:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199310140119.AA08054@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7377; Wed, 13 Oct 93 21:17:36 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3145; Wed, 13 Oct 93 21:20:27 EDT Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 21:16:55 EDT Reply-To: Jorge LLambias Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge LLambias Subject: Re: TECH: Lean Lujvo and fat gismu X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Wed Oct 13 17:16:55 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET > JL> xelklacau (xe klama claxu) c1=k1 (c2=k5) k2 k3 k4 > JL> > JL> x1 goes to x2 from x3 along x4 without any means/vehicle > JL> > JL> It works, but this doesn't make it irrelevant. It emphasises that > JL> there are no means/vehicle. > > No. lujvo mean what I want them to mean. I know you don't mean what that phrase says out of context, but I thought I'd cite you just for fun :) > If my concept is one of irrelevancy, > I have used "cau". There is indeed a second interpretation, as you have > pointed out, but that may not be what I intended. It still seems to me that {claxu} can't mean "irrelevant". And I can't read it as making some metacomment on the lujvo, as "take this gismu without its x5 place". The "without" has to refer to whatever sumti fills the place, not to the place itself within the place structure. Jorge