Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 15 Oct 1993 06:55:40 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 15 Oct 1993 06:55:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199310151055.AA01257@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3048; Fri, 15 Oct 93 06:53:42 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7479; Fri, 15 Oct 93 06:56:31 EDT Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 11:53:13 +0100 Reply-To: Colin Fine Sender: Lojban list From: Colin Fine Subject: Re: TEXT: toldi nunsenva To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Fri Oct 15 12:53:13 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Nice try John, but.... toldi nunsenva .i tu'e la tcuan,dz. noi nunpijpa'i cu senva le du'u ri toldi .i ca le nu ri cikna kei ri cusku le se du'u ri na djuno le du'u ri du la tcuan,dz. noi senva le du'u ri toldi kei jikau ri toldi noi senva le du'u ri du la tcuan,dz. tu'u 1) nunpijypa'i If I hadn't known the story, I would have no idea what to make of an 'event of wisdom judge'/ 2) jikau doesn't work. As it stands, it links onto the last 'le du'u'. You would need a ku'o, but then it will link 'la tcuan,dz' to 'ri' and leave 'toldi noi' hanging out. You either need 'lo toldi', which is odd as the remoi terbri of 'du', or recast it as 'gi'i kau', and drop the 'ri'. You will then need to change the 'noi' in the last line to 'gi'e' (which I prefer anyway). Slightly clearer than using gi'i kau is to use forethought, allowing you to repeat the ri/ko'a. 3) I don't believe 'ri' binds, in which case, several of your 'ri's' pick out abstractions. Yu may be able to do some fancy footwork with 'vo'a' and 'le go'i', but I think assigning a KOhA is easier. toldi nunsenva .i tu'e la tcuan,dz. goi ko'a zi'e noi nunpijypa'i cu senva le du'u ko'a toldi .i ca le nu ko'a cikna kei ko'a cusku le se du'u ko'a na djuno le du'u ge'ikau ko'a du la tcuan,dz. gi'e senva le du'u ko'a toldi gi ko'a toldi gi'e senva le du'u ko'a du la tcuan,dz. tu'u Colin