Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 15 Oct 1993 01:23:38 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 15 Oct 1993 01:22:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199310150522.AA07901@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2618; Fri, 15 Oct 93 01:20:57 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6512; Fri, 15 Oct 93 01:23:53 EDT Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 01:19:20 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: more on fat gismu X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Thu Oct 14 21:19:20 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET "They are collecting the supplies needed for the trip." I don't think this is sorcu until you put those supplies somewhere. They are se xaksu, or se pruce or se sabji. "Our reserve of wood is going fast." Well the reserve presumably DOES exist in some physical location(s). Though I might get something out of an argument about a supply of electrons or a force supply for which it is a littl harder to pin down what physical location containment might really mean. I believe that a lot of the evolution of this concept had to do with more permanent stores that these examples. "the library is a store of books in that building" and the like. It might be that x1 is merely x2 massified, in which case you 'win'. If you look at the transitive verb based on sorcu, you get something like x1 stores x2 in/at x3 and it isn't all that clear whether x3 is the x1 or the x3 of sorcu I'm still undecided. More arguments please from others with opinions ... lojbab