Return-Path: Received: from kejal-9101.pc by xiron with uucp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0omnyp-0000osC; Tue, 12 Oct 93 19:57 EET Received: from kruuna.helsinki.fi by xiron with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0omkk3-0000osC; Tue, 12 Oct 93 16:30 EET Received: from charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI by kruuna.helsinki.fi with SMTP id AA27447 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 12 Oct 1993 16:29:11 +0200 Received: From HYLKN1/WORKQUEUE2 by charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI via Charon 3.4 with IPX id 100.931012162748.352; 12 Oct 93 16:28:19 +0200 Message-Id: Received: From FINHUTC.hut.fi by charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI via Charon 3.4 with SMTP id 102.931012162725.320; 12 Oct 93 16:27:30 +-02-01 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 6857; Tue, 12 Oct 93 16:28:40 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6856; Tue, 12 Oct 1993 16:28:37 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9849; Tue, 12 Oct 1993 15:28:01 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 10:26:36 -0400 Reply-To: "Mark E. Shoulson" Sender: vilva From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Subject: Lean Lujvo and fat gismu X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 647 Lines: 13 Damn, these holidays are really a hassle; I can hardly skim the messages. Just a quick note on klama/cliva/litru which won't help anything. There's some kind of gut feeling that I can't quite quantify... When I think "A bird flies through the sky", that has to be "litru" (or maybe "voirli'u"), even though the bird obviously came from somewhere and will eventually stop. But the action under consideration is *not* the going anywhere or leaving anywhere, it's just the *travel* part. That may be a red herring, since you can't always do that, but somehow it makes sense to me... Bleah, maybe I'll post better when I know what I mean. ~mark