Return-Path: Received: from kejal-9101.pc by xiron with uucp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0oni3X-0000osC; Fri, 15 Oct 93 07:50 EET Received: from kruuna.helsinki.fi by xiron with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0onXTV-0000osC; Thu, 14 Oct 93 20:32 EET Received: from charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI by kruuna.helsinki.fi with SMTP id AA05237 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 14 Oct 1993 20:31:25 +0200 Received: From HYLKN1/WORKQUEUE2 by charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI via Charon 3.4 with IPX id 100.931014193053.256; 14 Oct 93 19:31:30 +0200 Message-Id: Received: From FINHUTC.hut.fi by charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI via Charon 3.4 with SMTP id 102.931014193034.480; 14 Oct 93 19:30:36 +-02-01 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 1918; Thu, 14 Oct 93 20:30:48 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1915; Thu, 14 Oct 1993 20:30:39 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1110; Thu, 14 Oct 1993 19:29:59 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 14:27:01 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: vilva From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: more on fat gismu X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 546 Lines: 12 I will accept your argument on sorcu, though I'm not really convinced. I am also deleting the x4 of cikre. I had something specific in mind there but I suspect that it meets the same argument as this one. There are indeed two different semantic roles, I am sure, but whether in practice you have situatuions where a distinction is necessary that cannot be conveyed within one sumti is a little harder to argue. I am inclined to make muvdu non-agentive, per your suggestion (it had already occured to me), but want to consider further. lojbab