Return-Path: Received: from kejal-9101.pc by xiron with uucp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0okoEK-0000osC; Thu, 7 Oct 93 07:49 EET Received: from kruuna.helsinki.fi by xiron with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0okcjU-0000osC; Wed, 6 Oct 93 19:33 EET Received: from charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI by kruuna.helsinki.fi with SMTP id AA04667 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 6 Oct 1993 19:30:52 +0200 Received: From HYLKN1/WORKQUEUE2 by charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI via Charon 3.4 with IPX id 100.931006192947.352; 06 Oct 93 19:32:49 +0200 Message-Id: Received: From FINHUTC.hut.fi by charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI via Charon 3.4 with SMTP id 102.931006192921.544; 06 Oct 93 19:30:40 +-02-01 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 8727; Wed, 06 Oct 93 19:30:06 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8725; Wed, 6 Oct 1993 19:30:00 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3908; Wed, 6 Oct 1993 18:29:24 +0100 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 13:28:03 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: vilva From: Logical Language Group Subject: New "jutsi" (species) proposal X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 2894 Lines: 59 I have a new proposal for resolving the ambiguity of "jutsi" and giving it a fixed place structure. The current place structure is the open-ended: x1 is a species belonging to genus x2, which belongs to group x3, which belongs to supergroup x4, which ... where both the number of places and the exact purposes of those beyond x2 are left very vague. The normal Linnaean system which this gismu is designed to handle has seven hierarchical levels (species, genus, family, order, class, phylum/division, kingdom) but there are an arbitrary number of interposed levels, such as subfamily, suborder, superclass, subphylum, and tribe (between genus and subfamily), which exist in some parts of the tree but not others. (For example, most members of phylum Chordata belong to subphylum Vertebrata, but phylum Nematoda (roundworms) has no subphyla.) The different categories which fall into these levels are collectively known as "taxa" (singular, "taxon"): thus Homo sapiens is a taxon, and so is Chordata, but "family" is not. It seems to me that this gismu seems to need this open-ended structure because it is trying to do too much: it talks about the various taxa, but it also purports to relate them. Now we already have in the language a mechanism for relating classes in a hierarchical fashion, although perhaps not always recognized as such, namely "klesi", with place structure: x1 is a class/category/subset within x2 (set) with defining prop. x3 This relationship is entirely adequate to explain how a species relates to a genus, or a genus to a phylum, or an order to a kingdom. What remains is some way to say "Homo sapiens is a species" and for this purpose "jutsi" can work well with a simple place structure: x1 is a species/genus/taxon/hierarchical class of type x2 So we can say things like: 1) la'o ly. Homo sapiens .ly. cu jutsi la'o ly. species .ly. Homo sapiens is a taxon of type "species". 2) la'o ly. Chordata .ly. cu justi la'o ly. phylum .ly. Chordata is a taxon of type "phylum". 3) la'o ly. Homo sapiens noi jutsi la'o ly. species .ly. cu klesi la'o ly. Chordata .ly. noi jutsi la'o ly. phylum .ly. Homo sapiens, which is a species, is a subclass of Chordata, which is a phylum. The Linnaean level names, like the taxon names, can be incorporated as "la'o" foreign names, as these examples show. Canonically, they should be in Latin form, which means that "family", "order", "class", and the marginal "tribe" show up as "familia", "ordo", "classis", and "tribus" respectively. (In addition, the plant kingdom is organized into "divisions" rather than phyla, but this minor distinction can probably be ignored.) Comments? -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.