Return-Path: Received: from kejal-9101.pc by xiron with uucp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0oni2v-0000osC; Fri, 15 Oct 93 07:49 EET Received: from kruuna.helsinki.fi by xiron with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0onYRC-0000osC; Thu, 14 Oct 93 21:34 EET Received: from charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI by kruuna.helsinki.fi with SMTP id AA10100 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 14 Oct 1993 21:32:54 +0200 Received: From HYLKN1/WORKQUEUE2 by charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI via Charon 3.4 with IPX id 100.931014203241.480; 14 Oct 93 20:33:09 +0200 Message-Id: Received: From FINHUTC.hut.fi by charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI via Charon 3.4 with SMTP id 102.931014203210.448; 14 Oct 93 20:32:15 +-02-01 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 2680; Thu, 14 Oct 93 21:32:25 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2678; Thu, 14 Oct 1993 21:32:20 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2894; Thu, 14 Oct 1993 20:31:42 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 15:22:59 EDT Reply-To: Jorge LLambias Sender: vilva From: Jorge LLambias Subject: Re: more on fat gismu X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 746 Lines: 20 la lojbab cusku di'e > OK. John seems to have found the argument on sorcu that I couldn't bring to > mind, and I will be sticking with the current place structure unless > further convinced. Let's try. "They are collecting the supplies needed for the trip." "Our reserve of wood is going fast." In these cases, there may or may not be a container for the sorcu, and it is totally irrelevant if there is. I don't see the need for the physical location of supplies in general, which don't really need to have a physical location. I'm not saying that x3 is the same as x1, which I agree is an abstract concept. x3 is a vasru, and a vasru may contain a sorcu or many other things, but a sorcu need not be contained in a vasru. co'o mi'e xorxes