Return-Path: Received: from kejal-9101.pc by xiron with uucp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m000Ecr-0000osC; Thu, 1 Jan 70 17:37 EET Received: from kruuna.helsinki.fi by xiron with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0002Zh-0000osC; Thu, 1 Jan 70 04:45 EET Received: from charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI by kruuna.helsinki.fi with SMTP id AA28023 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 7 Oct 1993 18:59:29 +0200 Received: From HYLKN1/WORKQUEUE2 by charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI via Charon 3.4 with IPX id 100.931007185819.480; 07 Oct 93 19:00:43 +0200 Message-Id: Received: From FINHUTC.hut.fi by charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI via Charon 3.4 with SMTP id 102.931007185804.416; 07 Oct 93 18:59:57 +-02-01 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 1017; Thu, 07 Oct 93 18:58:55 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1014; Thu, 7 Oct 1993 18:58:50 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0360; Thu, 7 Oct 1993 17:58:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 12:55:56 EDT Reply-To: Jorge LLambias Sender: vilva From: Jorge LLambias Subject: Re: TECH: long, but major topic: lean lujvo and fat gismu X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 657 Lines: 21 la djan cusku di'e > Oh yes. The properties of a mass are the properties of its components, plus > any emergent properties it may have. Indeed, I can say "mi'o klama" even > if you are not going anyplace, or (in lojbab's graphic example) if I cut > your hand off and take it with me! oiro'o > English occasionally uses "we" as a mass pronoun in this way: > > We're having a baby/We're pregnant > > may be used by the male member of a couple, e.g. You can say that in Spanish as well, but I always thought it was more of an empathy thing, rather than a mass property. I still haven't quite "groked" this mass business anyway. co'o mi'e xorxes