Return-Path: Received: from kejal-9101.pc by xiron with uucp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0okoD2-0000osC; Thu, 7 Oct 93 07:48 EET Received: from kruuna.helsinki.fi by xiron with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0okiRB-0000osC; Thu, 7 Oct 93 01:38 EET Received: from charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI by kruuna.helsinki.fi with SMTP id AA01606 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 7 Oct 1993 01:37:55 +0200 Received: From HYLKN1/WORKQUEUE2 by charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI via Charon 3.4 with IPX id 100.931007013653.352; 07 Oct 93 01:38:47 +0200 Message-Id: Received: From FINHUTC.hut.fi by charon2-gw.pc.Helsinki.FI via Charon 3.4 with SMTP id 102.931007013642.320; 07 Oct 93 01:38:09 +-02-01 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 2434; Thu, 07 Oct 93 01:37:29 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2433; Thu, 7 Oct 1993 01:37:27 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2813; Thu, 7 Oct 1993 00:36:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 19:34:00 EDT Reply-To: Jorge LLambias Sender: vilva From: Jorge LLambias Subject: Re: Lean Lujvo and fat gismu X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 525 Lines: 29 la djan cusku di'e > > 1) mi klama fi le frasygu'e > I come from France > > 2) mi cliva le frasygu'e > I leave France. > Just to add some confusion here. mi ca cliva le frasygu'e Does this mean that I'm leaving France right now? mi ca klama fi le frasygu'e mi ca ba'o cliva le frasygu'e Are these two compatible? If they are, then {cliva} doesn't seem to be equivalent to {klama be zi'o}. If they aren't, then it seems wrong to translate {cliva} as "leave". Jorge