Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 12 Oct 1993 04:35:55 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 12 Oct 1993 04:35:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199310120835.AA20107@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8659; Tue, 12 Oct 93 04:33:59 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 4211; Tue, 12 Oct 93 04:36:44 EDT Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 04:34:01 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: means/vehicle X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Tue Oct 12 00:34:01 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Actually, if we are considering deleting a means place from one of the motion words, I would be inclined to make it litru that has the place deleted. It is, after all, pure focus on the route, and I can see that the means is as speculatively superfluous as origin and destination. I have always seen klama as the most complete specification or concept, and it also has usage in the form of its BAI tag to add each of its 5 places onto other concepts that don't have the place. lojbab