From @FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Mon Mar 8 17:18:19 2010 Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0p0vQe-0000PaC; Sat, 20 Nov 93 18:44 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 7766; Sat, 20 Nov 93 18:45:16 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7765; Sat, 20 Nov 1993 18:45:16 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5632; Sat, 20 Nov 1993 17:44:26 +0100 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1993 16:35:17 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: proposal for new member of SE To: lojban@CUVMA.BITNET In-Reply-To: (Your message of Sat, 20 Nov 93 02:07:27 EST.) Content-Length: 926 Lines: 19 > An argument based on zipfean principles must ipso facto be based on > frequency of usage demanding a short form, or infrequency of usage > demanding a long form. Since there are as far as I know, no Lojban > lujvo with more than 5 places, there is 0 frequency of use, and it is > therefore difficult to argue for any but the longest plausible form. "nunkla" is an obvious 6-place lujvo, as I have said before. An existing 6+-place lujvo, from a poem I am working on, is "nunrozrulpezmaxpanci". > I will note that JCB's version of the language does have a 'sumti > rotation' operator, though it is not of a "se" nature. We decided it > wasn't really needed or useful, given the existence of FA tags. But to get very natural orders like 51234 you need several SE or several FA, so though the effect of rotation can be achieved by existing devices, they are cumbersome relative to the naturalness of the order. ---- And