From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Thu Nov 4 20:24:08 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 5 Nov 1993 01:26:44 -0500 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 5 Nov 1993 01:26:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199311050626.AA07142@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8512; Fri, 05 Nov 93 01:26:29 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0182; Fri, 05 Nov 93 01:26:14 EDT Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 01:24:08 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: more thoughts on zi'o To: jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU Cc: iad@cogsci.edinburgh.ac.uk, lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Status: RO X-Status: No, I'm specifically talking about the distinction between xodit' and id ti my xodim po parke We walk around in the park. my idyom v park We walk to the park. and though I haven't seen it, I suspect that my idyom v magazin po park(a/e?) is We walk to the store via (route) the park. But xodit' with a direct object seems to mean a round-trip to that destination, with vague or variable origin: my chasto xodili v magazin We often went to the store (from place(s) unspecified). hence prompting my question on whether in Lojban the origin in the corresponding klama must necessarily be the same place to make it true. Colin answers that a mass would work in the origin, and I think he is right but I'm not sure. lojbab