From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Tue Nov 9 09:34:42 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 14:36:59 -0500 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 14:36:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199311091936.AA02823@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5813; Tue, 09 Nov 93 14:36:35 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3854; Tue, 09 Nov 93 14:36:03 EDT Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 14:34:42 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: sprituality; new cmavo To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Status: RO X-Status: In the latest version of the attitudinal paper as revised by me, I use the term "secular" as a gloss for "re'ecu'i." This is probably the best word to characterize my (stable) feelings on the subject: I am a "re'ecu'i" person. The group of feelings and experiences that other people call "spiritual" seems not to correspond to anything in me. Intellectually, I understand something about the subject; experientially, I am simply tone-deaf on this point. I agree that the "-nai" versions of these classifiers are not particularly well understood as yet, and the English glosses are probably inadequate. They represent classes of emotions, and the polar opposite of a class is another class whose relationship to the first class is rather vague. As for the proposed modifier "re'u" for political emotions, I find it acceptable on its own, but I wonder if we aren't opening the floodgates: what about philosophical emotions, say? pc might have some of those. There are certainly scientific emotions, like ".uixe'u" = the joy of confirming a hypothesis. No doubt a professional ditch-digger would claim that there are specific ditch-digging emotions quite distinct from "ro'o". Hacker emotions are extremely important in the hacker community, and there are many linguistic forms for expressing them: "Win, win!" "Lose, lose!" "Bletch!" "Weeble..." are a few examples. Perhaps this is yet another area where we should leave bad enough alone. I vote ".ienairu'e", with a note that this is yet another area where experimental cmavo will be useful. -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.