From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Wed Nov 17 14:43:57 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 09:48:23 -0500 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 09:48:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199311171448.AA03326@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1498; Wed, 17 Nov 93 09:47:58 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1640; Wed, 17 Nov 93 09:47:14 EDT Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 14:43:57 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: proposal for new member of SE To: lojban@CUVMA.BITNET In-Reply-To: (Your message of Tue, 16 Nov 93 02:57:59 EST.) <199311160757.AA24015@access.digex.net Status: RO X-Status: > You wrote, and it may not have been answered: > >> > If a brivla has more than five places, how are the places from > >> > 6 on accessed? Is there a way to get SE and FA to go beyond 5? > >> > >> By subscripting. Any member of SE or FA can have "xi " attached > >> to access places beyond 5. In this case, the particular member chosen > >> is irrelevant: "sexixa" and "texixa" and so on are all the x6-conversion. > >> This is documented in my paper on text structure, available on > >> casper.cs.yale.edu:/pub/lojban/draft/refgrammar by anon FTP. > > > >I can't find a rafsi for xi, so presumably a lujvoization of this > >requires zei, yes? > > Only if you are a masochist or a lujvo-literalist (which may be the same > thing). I would hope that >5 places in a lujvo would be rare if not > non-existent, and that therefore it is almost inconceivable that someone > would build a lujvo based on the >6 place of some other lujvo. "nunklama" is an obvious 6-place brivla. > But if > it did, I would be quick to break all 'rules' and say selxav- or xelxav- > if I wanted to be sure people would thing about it being a higher > numbered place. Ugh! Could we not instead have an additional SE (with rafsi) that means: exchange 1st & last places Used recursively, this would allow a different way of getting at places beyond the 5th. For example, if this new member of SE were "xehe", rafsi "xez", then the lujvo for "x1 is the vehicle of an event of going" would be "xeznunkla". And.