Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI,@SEARN.SUNET.SE:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0owyt3-0000PYC; Tue, 9 Nov 93 21:37 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 6641; Tue, 09 Nov 93 21:38:14 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6640; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 21:38:13 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8637; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 20:37:26 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 14:34:42 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: sprituality; new cmavo X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1674 Lines: 30 In the latest version of the attitudinal paper as revised by me, I use the term "secular" as a gloss for "re'ecu'i." This is probably the best word to characterize my (stable) feelings on the subject: I am a "re'ecu'i" person. The group of feelings and experiences that other people call "spiritual" seems not to correspond to anything in me. Intellectually, I understand something about the subject; experientially, I am simply tone-deaf on this point. I agree that the "-nai" versions of these classifiers are not particularly well understood as yet, and the English glosses are probably inadequate. They represent classes of emotions, and the polar opposite of a class is another class whose relationship to the first class is rather vague. As for the proposed modifier "re'u" for political emotions, I find it acceptable on its own, but I wonder if we aren't opening the floodgates: what about philosophical emotions, say? pc might have some of those. There are certainly scientific emotions, like ".uixe'u" = the joy of confirming a hypothesis. No doubt a professional ditch-digger would claim that there are specific ditch-digging emotions quite distinct from "ro'o". Hacker emotions are extremely important in the hacker community, and there are many linguistic forms for expressing them: "Win, win!" "Lose, lose!" "Bletch!" "Weeble..." are a few examples. Perhaps this is yet another area where we should leave bad enough alone. I vote ".ienairu'e", with a note that this is yet another area where experimental cmavo will be useful. -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.