Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI,@SEARN.SUNET.SE:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0ovKdG-0000PYC; Fri, 5 Nov 93 08:26 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 2270; Fri, 05 Nov 93 08:27:05 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2265; Fri, 5 Nov 1993 08:27:04 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1761; Fri, 5 Nov 1993 07:26:17 +0100 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 01:24:08 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: more thoughts on zi'o X-To: jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU X-cc: iad@cogsci.edinburgh.ac.uk, lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 723 Lines: 23 No, I'm specifically talking about the distinction between xodit' and id ti my xodim po parke We walk around in the park. my idyom v park We walk to the park. and though I haven't seen it, I suspect that my idyom v magazin po park(a/e?) is We walk to the store via (route) the park. But xodit' with a direct object seems to mean a round-trip to that destination, with vague or variable origin: my chasto xodili v magazin We often went to the store (from place(s) unspecified). hence prompting my question on whether in Lojban the origin in the corresponding klama must necessarily be the same place to make it true. Colin answers that a mass would work in the origin, and I think he is right but I'm not sure. lojbab