Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI,@SEARN.SUNET.SE:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0oxIZu-0000PYC; Wed, 10 Nov 93 18:39 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 6274; Wed, 10 Nov 93 18:39:45 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6272; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 18:39:45 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3691; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 17:38:57 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 11:32:00 EST Reply-To: protin%USL.COM@FINHUTC.hut.fi Sender: Lojban list From: Art Protin Subject: Re: TECH: re'enai and the emotion classifiers (long) X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1432 Lines: 33 lojbab quotes me and comments: >AP> While this may be the most frequent misunderstanding of the term, >AP> I reject the cultural bias and denounce the ignorance that this >AP> "definition" embodies. >AP> >AP> Atheism is the religious belief that God does not exist. > > I hate to say it, but this definition is culturally biased in > exactly the same way mine was. The belief that "God" does not > exist PRESUMES some definition of God, and the definition that > is generally intended is that of the Judeo-Christian god, at > least when the term is used by those brought up under > Judeo-Christian traditions. Wrong! The definition I offered of atheism is not bound to the Judeo-Christian traditions. The disbelieved god is any and all "personal gods" where "personal god" refers to a divine being with a personality. The really big error in my definition is that I left out the '(s)'. The God(s) denied by the atheist are not only the Christian Trinity and Yahweh, but Allah and the God(s) of the Hindus, of Zoroastrianism, of the ancient Greeks, of the ancient Romans, of the ancient Egyptians, of the Norse. Belief that any devine person can exist disqualifies the believer from being an atheist. thank you all, Arthur Protin Arthur Protin STANDARD DISCLAIMER: The views expressed are strictly those of the author and are in no way indictative of his employer, customers, or this installation.