Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI,@SEARN.SUNET.SE:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0ouua7-0000PaC; Thu, 4 Nov 93 04:37 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 9082; Thu, 04 Nov 93 04:38:08 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9081; Thu, 4 Nov 1993 04:38:08 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6869; Thu, 4 Nov 1993 03:37:24 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 21:33:51 EST Reply-To: Jorge LLambias Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge LLambias Subject: Re: TECH: more thoughts on zi'o X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 620 Lines: 19 la art cusku di'e > This is not proof that klama is all we want, just further indication > that, without better explanation of the distinctions, klama is all > that is needed. I think cliva is a different concept, because, for instance {ze'u cliva} (a leaving that takes a long time), is not the same as {ze'u klama} (a going that takes a long time). On the other hand, I think you're beginning to convince me that litru is probably covered by klama. The walking through the park is a good example. I never understood why there is no "arrive", as a counterpart to cliva. {to'e cliva}, I suppose. ki'e mi'e xorxes