Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI,@SEARN.SUNET.SE:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0ox2vA-0000PYC; Wed, 10 Nov 93 01:56 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 9147; Wed, 10 Nov 93 01:56:41 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9145; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 01:56:39 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4784; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 00:55:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 18:53:09 EST Reply-To: Jorge LLambias Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge LLambias Subject: Re: TECH: re'enai and the emotion classifiers (long) X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1814 Lines: 54 la art joi la lojbab cusku di'e > > Most people who identify themselves as atheists or agnostics are > > going to rarely find themselves expressing a non-neutral 'spiritual' > > scale. They don't identify in themselves a need to express spiritually. > > While it won't be frequent nor regular, I expect it will happen to > most at sometime or another. i ki'u ma na'e cafne i le nu krici fi lo cesna cu na'e sarcu le nu lifri lo pruxi > Samples: > > The feelings that one gets walking an ancient battlefield. > > The feeling that one gets in a "haunted" house. > > The feeling that accompanies/is a premonition. ice le nu manci le nu viska le solnuncanci vi le xaskoi ice le se cinmo be bai le nu pensi le nu morsi ice le so'i drata I found an interesting symmetry among the UI4s: self others physical sexual (xadni) mental social (prenu) spiritual emotional (pruxi) Three of them are concerned only with the self, and although the feelings may in some sense be originated in the outside world, the experience is purely personal. For the other three, the feelings are of course felt by the speaker, but other people are an essential component. (When dealing with self-sex, I would argue that the physical category is more appropriate, I think sexuality requires an other. Maybe one can see oneself as another?) I see mental and social as referring to the {prenu}. Again, self and others. And spiritual/emotional distinguishes between our feelings for others (or for ourselves, but seen as another), and the pure spiritual emotions that are so difficult to express, but are not felt about someone. I don't think "political" is a category in the same level as the others. I see it as a part of "social". (Also, it doesn't fit my scheme :) Jorge