Message-Id: <199311101613.AA07359@eli.CS.YALE.EDU>
Date:         Wed, 10 Nov 1993 11:06:00 EST
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From: Art Protin <protin@USL.COM>
Subject:      Re: TECH: re'enai and the emotion classifiers (long)
To: Erik Rauch <rauch>
Status: RO

I am very pleased/amused/satisfied with Jorge's observation:

> I found an interesting symmetry among the UI4s:
>
> self            others
>
> physical        sexual          (xadni)
> mental          social          (prenu)
> spiritual       emotional       (pruxi)

> (When dealing with self-sex, I would argue that the physical
> category is more appropriate, I think sexuality requires an
> other. Maybe one can see oneself as another?)

Or the "other" is there only in one's imagination.

> I don't think "political" is a category in the same level as
> the others. I see it as a part of "social". (Also, it doesn't
> fit my scheme :)

I had had doubts about "political", but this scheme of ours
(I have adopted it) helps to clarify the problem.  In fact I
think this scheme helps to clarify the concepts being discussed.
Many of the  connotations and denotations of the English word
"spiritual" are stripped away by narrowing the concept to fit
in this matrix.

Now, how do we narrow the myriad meanings of "political".  One view
comes to mind because of Jorge's taxonomy: the column headings
change from self & others to a) the individual in isolation,
b) the individual in relation to others, and c) the collective.
Or is "political" meant as something other than describing the
actions of a society.

    thank you all,
    Arthur Protin


Arthur Protin <protin@usl.com>
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