Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 3 Nov 1993 21:37:54 -0500 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 3 Nov 1993 21:37:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199311040237.AA05968@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2550; Wed, 03 Nov 93 21:37:40 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6993; Wed, 03 Nov 93 21:37:25 EDT Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 21:33:51 EST Reply-To: Jorge LLambias Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge LLambias Subject: Re: TECH: more thoughts on zi'o X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Wed Nov 3 16:33:51 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET la art cusku di'e > This is not proof that klama is all we want, just further indication > that, without better explanation of the distinctions, klama is all > that is needed. I think cliva is a different concept, because, for instance {ze'u cliva} (a leaving that takes a long time), is not the same as {ze'u klama} (a going that takes a long time). On the other hand, I think you're beginning to convince me that litru is probably covered by klama. The walking through the park is a good example. I never understood why there is no "arrive", as a counterpart to cliva. {to'e cliva}, I suppose. ki'e mi'e xorxes