Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sat, 20 Nov 1993 11:45:03 -0500 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sat, 20 Nov 1993 11:44:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199311201644.AA03044@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8101; Sat, 20 Nov 93 11:44:37 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 4561; Sat, 20 Nov 93 11:44:02 EDT Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1993 16:35:17 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: proposal for new member of SE X-To: lojban@CUVMA.BITNET To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: (Your message of Sat, 20 Nov 93 02:07:27 EST.) Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Sat Nov 20 16:35:17 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET > An argument based on zipfean principles must ipso facto be based on > frequency of usage demanding a short form, or infrequency of usage > demanding a long form. Since there are as far as I know, no Lojban > lujvo with more than 5 places, there is 0 frequency of use, and it is > therefore difficult to argue for any but the longest plausible form. "nunkla" is an obvious 6-place lujvo, as I have said before. An existing 6+-place lujvo, from a poem I am working on, is "nunrozrulpezmaxpanci". > I will note that JCB's version of the language does have a 'sumti > rotation' operator, though it is not of a "se" nature. We decided it > wasn't really needed or useful, given the existence of FA tags. But to get very natural orders like 51234 you need several SE or several FA, so though the effect of rotation can be achieved by existing devices, they are cumbersome relative to the naturalness of the order. ---- And