Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0p5dq9-0000PbC; Fri, 3 Dec 93 18:58 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 5633; Fri, 03 Dec 93 18:59:06 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5632; Fri, 3 Dec 1993 18:59:06 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8107; Fri, 3 Dec 1993 17:58:09 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 16:35:59 GMT Reply-To: "Dr. C.D. Wright" Sender: Lojban list From: "Dr. C.D. Wright" To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 1298 Lines: 46 OK. I'm a beginner, so excuse the simple question ... I have in front of me a copy of Imaginary Journeys and there's something I don't understand. Example 12.2 is mi klama le zarci pu lenu do pu klama le zdani 1 2 "pu" number 2 says that you _went_ to the house. "pu" number one means I went to the store at a time in the past relative to the event that "pu"-1 labels. Thus the translation is that I went to the store before you went to the house. The implication is that when a tense is used as a sumti tcita, the tense is taken relative the the sumti being tagged. Another example, number 10.3, says that le verba ba'o cadzu le bisli The "ba'o" is perfective, indicating that the event or relationship expressed by the bridi is complete. The child has finished walking on the ice. Now consider example 12.6 mi morsi ba'o lenu mi jmive The ba'o tags the event of my living, and the ba'o indicates that the relationship expressed by the bridi is complete when taken relative to the sumti. Thus this translates as I die and finish doing so before I live. Hmm. The translation given is that I die in the aftermath of my living, which makes more sense, but seems to me to be inconsistent with the previous examples. Comments ?? Colin Wright.