Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 20 Dec 1993 11:32:33 -0500 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 20 Dec 1993 11:08:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199312201608.AA03799@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7027; Mon, 20 Dec 93 11:30:22 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1913; Mon, 20 Dec 93 11:31:43 EDT Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 16:21:37 GMT Reply-To: Colin Fine Sender: Lojban list From: Colin Fine Subject: POssessives To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Mon Dec 20 16:21:37 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET More thoughts on possessives: I know my previous mail was a bit of a flame, and I respect Bob's wish not to get into argument. I also accept that possessives are something we have, and I'm not seriously pushing to get away from them. But it suddenly occurred to me to wonder how Loglan would have turned out in this regard if JCB and the rest of us had all been speakers of an NG language like French instead of a predominently GN one like English? Would we have felt the need for preposed genitives? Or would they be restricted in some way to personal pronouns (as in French, where le le ctuca ku mlatu comes out as le chat de la professeur ie with the structure le mlatu pe le ctuca but le mi mlatu is still mon chat )? An idle speculation, nothing more. Colin noi lidne finti lo lidne galfytergerna no'u zoi gy preposed relatives gy