Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0pA06m-0000PbC; Wed, 15 Dec 93 19:33 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4330; Wed, 15 Dec 93 19:33:39 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4329; Wed, 15 Dec 1993 19:33:39 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2636; Wed, 15 Dec 1993 18:32:35 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 11:07:39 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: responses to Jorge on fat gismu X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199312091658.AA28304@nfs1.digex.net> from "Jorge Llambias" at Dec 9, 93 11:57:42 am Content-Length: 867 Lines: 21 mi pu cusku di'e > > I think [ve cpedu] is not an attitude, but rather a "ve cusku"; you may request by > > letter, or by "bacru"-ing, or by gesture. "Form" is the more important > > concept. > > If that is the case, wouldn't a {vecu'u} tag suffice? It doesn't seem to be > crucial to the concept. lojbab seemed to have in mind an attitude, though: > > > > > Note also that cpedu has an x4 manner, whereas the manner is implicit in > > > > pikci (respectful, supplicant) Hmmm, I think you must be right. Very well, I support the death of "ve cpedu" as redundant to either "seci'o" or "vecu'u". (Of course, a pure attitudinal wouldn't be the right thing: "seci'o" often works to express the emotional attitude with which something is done.) -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.