From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Tue Jan 11 03:56:47 1994 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 08:58:08 -0500 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 08:58:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199401111358.AA02295@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2202; Tue, 11 Jan 94 08:55:31 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 8324; Tue, 11 Jan 94 08:56:56 EDT Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 08:56:47 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: LogFest '94 and the Lojban "live-in" afterwards To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Cc: vribakov@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu Status: RO X-Status: It is about time to start talking about LogFest for this year. We have to decide on a date within the next couple of weeks. Although our official "default" day for LogFest is in mid-June, we know that enough people have regular problems with that day that we no longer try to hold LogFest that day, or any other day in June. Last year we did reasonably well with the first weekend after the 4th of July holiday, and I will use that as a starting point for discussion this time; I believe the dates are 9-10 July. Neither Nora nor I have any particular problems with any other day in July or August. An extra consideration this year is the proposal we discussed a couple of months ago to try to follow up Logfest with an up-to-a-week-long period wherein only Lojban would be spoken in this household, with all LogFest attendees invited to stay on to try to participate. The Lojban-only restriction will be modified, given the novices and kids that we expect to have present: we will permit other non-Lojban languages besides English to be used. Such language use will not likely distract from the effort of others to continue in Lojban. We will also set aside one (out-of-the-way) room where people can retire for an English clarification discussion, or a quick lesson in something about Lojban that is confusing. We are also looking for ideas for activities for that week-long period. "Everyday living" isn't really possible, since guests will be unlikely to be working and/or going about exactly the activities they would do at home. Last night we discussed some possibilities. I'lll mention a couple and let Albion and Sylvia add to them as appropriate: - various games; cards, board games, D&D, computer games - serious intellectual discussions - sightseeing excursions (the Smithsonian was suggested) and a shopping trip with most of the participants taking the role of non-English-speaking tourists from 'Lojbanistan', and one designated 'translator' to interact with English-speaking locals when necessary. - Some locals may be participating but going to work in the daytime. They can talk to the rest about what they did at work. Other ideas are welcome. Obviously we will need aids for people participating, the most important being the dictionary (but people have pointed out that it will probably be too big for everyone to carry around everywhere. But we may need impromptu sessions before any new activity to create vocabulary and ad-hoc reference lists of useful words for each new thing that we try to do. Obviously, planning more activities in advance allows us to collectively start on such lists before LogFest. We will also need a fall back capability to stop, talk things out and give some quick Lojban lessons to EVERYBODY, and then restart the experiment if things go particularly poorly. We don't want the first conversational hiatus to end the experiment. So: Are you interested in coming to LogFest this year? Are you interested in participating in the Lojban "live-in"? Is the date suggested (9-10 July and the week following) satisfactory for you? If not, can you suggest other dates that would be better? Can you suggest any other ideas for activities at the "live-in", methods to make it go more smoothly, increase participation (especially among those who don't think their Lojban skills are up to the challenge yet)? Any other relevant ideas or comments? lojbab