Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0pOgwq-0000Q8C; Tue, 25 Jan 94 08:08 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8293; Tue, 25 Jan 94 08:08:09 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8291; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 08:08:09 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4323; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 07:07:13 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 01:05:55 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: TECH quantity abstracts: quote X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1575 Lines: 33 The following out of context excerpt from soc.culture.scientists struck me as revealing of the nature of "ni" abstraction. "ni" is the metric that the respondent is referring to. We may not always be able to define the scale or the metric value, but "ni" existing in the language implies that every relationship have an at least theoretical quantifiability to that relationship. >># (2) That there is a metric which can be applied to any proposition >># which will compute a number telling you how close that proposition >># is to such objective truth. >> >>Your formulation is a straw man. There is no requirement that one be >>able to "compute a number telling you how close" a proposition is to >>objective truth in order to be able to tell that some propositions >>are closer to truth than others are. > > >It is no straw man. I did not require that you be able to actually >compute the number. I only required that there exist some metric -- >some objective standard as to what it means for one proposition to be >closer to objective truth than another proposition. To talk about one >thing being closer to objective truth than another presupposes that >there is a measure of closeness to objective truth. Without such a >measure all of your arguments on closeness to the truth are just >meaningless banter. Comments? lojbab ---- lojbab Note new address: lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273