Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:00:34 -0500 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:00:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199401201600.AA04673@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2147; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:58:33 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3139; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:58:18 EDT Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:51:32 GMT Reply-To: Colin Fine Sender: Lojban list From: Colin Fine Subject: Re: soc.culture.scientists posting To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Thu Jan 20 14:51:32 1994 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Lojbab asks: ++++> It occurs to me that there has been little discussion of how we want to test the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis using Lojban in recent years. Is there any interest in discussing this on this forum at this time? >++++ I have never believed in the possibility of testing Sapir-Whorf experimentally, and have little interest in attempts to do so. I observe that discussions of Sapir-Whorf are usually fairly hand-waving about what the hypothesis at issue actually is. To me a weak form of the hypothesis (language and culture are crucially interdependent) seems obvious, and a strong form (language completely conditions the culture or vice versa) appears unlikely, untestable, and probably unmeaningful. Colin