Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0pN1ni-0000Q8C; Thu, 20 Jan 94 18:00 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6445; Thu, 20 Jan 94 17:59:53 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6444; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 17:59:54 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2366; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 16:59:11 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:51:32 GMT Reply-To: Colin Fine Sender: Lojban list From: Colin Fine Subject: Re: soc.culture.scientists posting To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 731 Lines: 17 Lojbab asks: ++++> It occurs to me that there has been little discussion of how we want to test the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis using Lojban in recent years. Is there any interest in discussing this on this forum at this time? >++++ I have never believed in the possibility of testing Sapir-Whorf experimentally, and have little interest in attempts to do so. I observe that discussions of Sapir-Whorf are usually fairly hand-waving about what the hypothesis at issue actually is. To me a weak form of the hypothesis (language and culture are crucially interdependent) seems obvious, and a strong form (language completely conditions the culture or vice versa) appears unlikely, untestable, and probably unmeaningful. Colin