From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Tue Feb 8 14:53:02 1994 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 10:04:48 -0500 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 10:04:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199402081504.AA03269@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6449; Tue, 08 Feb 94 10:01:42 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1783; Tue, 08 Feb 94 10:03:17 EDT Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 14:53:02 GMT Reply-To: Colin Fine Sender: Lojban list From: Colin Fine Subject: Re: My decoding of the Lojban cryptogram. To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: ..uisai.i'ecaise'i I award myself a pat on the back for that translation (never mind the decoding, which was fairly mechanical). I'm particularly pleased that I got the first line word perfect. I think I made just two errors, which you caught: I read 'ki'u' as 'ku'i' (interestingly, with that change, what you wrote is grammatical I think, and translates as I did - except for the uncertainty of the reference of 'le sego'o'). And in transcribing my solution to running text I omitted 'le' in 'jorne le cabna', and so was trying to translate 'mi jorne cabna'. One place where we differ, and I will defend my translation as right is .i lo voksa be lo makfa cu tercmene fi le nu jmive poi bacru ci'e lo seljmive where I claim 'le nu jmive li'o' is the name, not the named, hence my awkward translation. I am very unsure about your use of le vs lo, in particular: clouds hide clouds of the voices of names of the night ..i lo dilnu cu gacri lo dilnu be le voksa be lo cmene be le nicte This is a mechanical rendering of the English 'le' = 'the', otherwise 'lo', and it's not clear what the distinction means in the English; but I think you can make a good case the 'names of the night' is no more specific as to the 'night' than in the first line. In general I am very suspicious of veridical sumti dependent on descriptive ones and vice versa, though I am sure you can find unexceptionable examples. Thanks for the game Colin