Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0pbEIg-0000RKC; Mon, 28 Feb 94 22:10 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3442; Mon, 28 Feb 94 22:07:47 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3440; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 22:07:47 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2926; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 21:06:51 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:08:42 EST Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Symmetric gismu, and a question about {diklo} To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 1972 Lines: 90 An interesting class of gismu are those broda that are synonymous with selbroda. I think these are all of them (I separated them in three subclasses). The x3 is usually a "standard" place, or something similar that qualifies the relationship. Abstract: du same identity as sevzi self mintu same dunli equal simsa similar panra parallel mapti fit sarxe harmonious srana pertain ckini related frica differ drata other dukti opposite fatne reverse Space-time: cabna now zvati at stali remain diklo local jorne joined kruca intersect lamji adjacent mlana side jibni near sepli apart darno far Human (mostly): jamna war panpi peace damba fight fapro oppose tugni agree jivna compete penmi meet kansa with gletu copulate speni married tunba sibling tamne cousin (I didnt include {bradi} (enemy), because {pendo} (friend) is not symmetric and I suppose then {bradi} isn't either.) And there's a fourth class with only one: rimni rhyme ------------------------------- I have doubts about {diklo}: > diklo klo local > x1 is local to x2; > x1 is confined to locus x2 within range x3 > [indicates a specific location/value within a range; e.g. a hits b. > What is the locality on b that a hits?]; da de diklo di I assume {da} and {de} occupy the same place (or what can be viewed as the same place in context, I don't want to argue whether two things can occupy the same space at the same time), but what does {di} do? Is it something like: le lunra le terdi cu diklo le solri ciste "The Moon is local to the Earth within range the Solar System" (if you pardon my Jboglish) The "confined" part is what I don't understand. Shouldn't it be something like "x1 is local to x2 confined to/within range x3", rather than x1 confined to x2? Jorge (In another post I'll talk about the antisymmetric gismu: pairs broda, brode, such that broda is a synonym of selbrode, and viceversa.)