Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0pTr18-0000Q9C; Tue, 8 Feb 94 13:54 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1768; Tue, 08 Feb 94 13:53:28 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1766; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 13:53:28 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0182; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:52:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:48:28 GMT Reply-To: Colin Fine Sender: Lojban list From: Colin Fine Subject: Re: cukta To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1501 Lines: 41 My suggestion on cukta (not deeply thought out) cukta x1 is a book/physical volume containing matter/work/text x2 on medium x3 (not necessarily bound paper, but a physical object) All the remaining ideas currently conveyed by cukta come under 'prosa', 'cfika', 'draci', 'pemci', and 'selfi'i', together perhaps with 'vreji', 'datni' and sometimes 'selpau' or 'so'ormei'. Book in the abstract: selcku (also lisri, prosa, pemso'omai, lisyso'omei) Author: finti (be lo selcukta), but usually te cfika, te pemci, te prosa Current definitions: ================ cfika fik fi'a fiction x1 is a work of fiction about plot/theme/subject x2/under convention x2 by author x3 cukta cku book x1 is a book about subject/theme/story x2 by author x3 for audience x4 preserved in medium x5 draci drama x1 is a drama/play about x2 [plot/theme/subject] by dramatist x3 for audience x4 with actors x5 finti fin fi'i invent x1 invents/creates/composes/authors x2 for function/purpose x3 from existing elements/ideas x4 lisri lis story x1 is a story/tale/yarn/narrative about plot/subject/moral x2 by storyteller x3 to audience x4 pagbu pag pau part x1 is a part/component/piece/portion/segment of x2 pemci pem poem x1 is a poem/verse about plot/theme/subject/pattern x2 by author x3 for intended audience x4 prosa ros ro'a prose x1 is prose about plot/theme/subject x2 by author x3 for intended audience x4