Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 14:17:01 -0500 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 14:16:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199402141916.AA02296@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4374; Mon, 14 Feb 94 14:15:02 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3244; Mon, 14 Feb 94 14:07:32 EDT Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 19:05:20 GMT Reply-To: i.alexander.bra0125@oasis.icl.co.uk Sender: Lojban list From: i.alexander.bra0125@OASIS.ICL.CO.UK Subject: Re: cukta X-To: jorge@phyast.pitt.edu X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Mon Feb 14 19:05:20 1994 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET la xorxes. cusku di'e > This brings up a (totally unrelated) question that I made myself some time > ago, and I had forgotten about it. > {ro lo klama} means the same as {ro lo klama be ?ma} > Is {zo'e} the right answer? I think it has to be - but this raises in my mind the question of the meaning of constructions such as {lo klama be ro da} and {lo klama be da}, or conversely how you talk about "all goers, irrespective of destination". How does the quantification work inside a description? I suppose {lo klama be ro da} must be one who goes to every destination, and {lo klama be da}, assuming {da} is currently unbound, is one who goes to some destination (no matter which). So the {da} becomes implicitly bound *inside* the description, and {ro klama be da} are the members of the set {x: exists(y): klama(x,y,...)}. Is this right? mi'e .i,n.