Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:07:44 -0500 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:07:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199402282007.AA04634@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1419; Mon, 28 Feb 94 15:06:01 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 4045; Mon, 28 Feb 94 15:06:26 EDT Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:08:42 EST Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Symmetric gismu, and a question about {diklo} X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Mon Feb 28 20:08:42 1994 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET An interesting class of gismu are those broda that are synonymous with selbroda. I think these are all of them (I separated them in three subclasses). The x3 is usually a "standard" place, or something similar that qualifies the relationship. Abstract: du same identity as sevzi self mintu same dunli equal simsa similar panra parallel mapti fit sarxe harmonious srana pertain ckini related frica differ drata other dukti opposite fatne reverse Space-time: cabna now zvati at stali remain diklo local jorne joined kruca intersect lamji adjacent mlana side jibni near sepli apart darno far Human (mostly): jamna war panpi peace damba fight fapro oppose tugni agree jivna compete penmi meet kansa with gletu copulate speni married tunba sibling tamne cousin (I didnt include {bradi} (enemy), because {pendo} (friend) is not symmetric and I suppose then {bradi} isn't either.) And there's a fourth class with only one: rimni rhyme ------------------------------- I have doubts about {diklo}: > diklo klo local > x1 is local to x2; > x1 is confined to locus x2 within range x3 > [indicates a specific location/value within a range; e.g. a hits b. > What is the locality on b that a hits?]; da de diklo di I assume {da} and {de} occupy the same place (or what can be viewed as the same place in context, I don't want to argue whether two things can occupy the same space at the same time), but what does {di} do? Is it something like: le lunra le terdi cu diklo le solri ciste "The Moon is local to the Earth within range the Solar System" (if you pardon my Jboglish) The "confined" part is what I don't understand. Shouldn't it be something like "x1 is local to x2 confined to/within range x3", rather than x1 confined to x2? Jorge (In another post I'll talk about the antisymmetric gismu: pairs broda, brode, such that broda is a synonym of selbrode, and viceversa.)