Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0pg7ZY-0000R2C; Mon, 14 Mar 94 10:00 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6311; Mon, 14 Mar 94 10:00:11 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6309; Mon, 14 Mar 1994 10:00:11 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5077; Mon, 14 Mar 1994 08:59:07 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 02:55:56 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: The Mad Proposals X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1688 Lines: 40 JL> la lojbab cusku di'e JL> JL> > For changes like JL> > the Mad Proposals, I suspect this would cause major examination of the JL> > existingf language description because the connectives are so strongly JL> > findamental to the language as it is designed and has been actually used. JL> > A simple global search-and-replace will not do. JL> JL> As far as Lojban text is concerned, a simple search-and-replace will JL> suffice. All proposals involve a simple replacement of one word for JL> another. (The single most common change would be {gi'e} to {gije}.) Yes and no. "zo gi'e" if in Lojban text would become invalid. There might be changes to elidable terminators needed in a text. There could be stylistic factors, including rhyme or rhythm in poetry. In short, you would have to verify on a case by case basis, although what you say may be true for the most part. JL> As for the reference grammar papers, the connectives paper would be JL> greatly affected, and this is where most of the work involved would be. JL> The other papers may need very minor changes, mostly of the JL> search-and-replace --More-- JL> type. JL> JL> I haven't looked at the lessons lately, so I don't know how much updating JL> they would need. I will try to make an assessment in terms of megabytes. JL> :) I don't know about John, but I am a holistic writer. Changing a feature of the language may change how I choose to teach it or refer to it in text, including text that may only indirectly involve the feature in question. Open questions in the grammar have tended to stop me dead in ALL work on the language until resolved, not just forced me into working on a different section. lojbab