Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0plx3V-0000SqC; Wed, 30 Mar 94 12:59 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9067; Tue, 29 Mar 94 19:51:30 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9065; Tue, 29 Mar 1994 19:51:30 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9421; Tue, 29 Mar 1994 18:49:55 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 10:07:14 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: CHANGE 35: tail terms after forethought-connected bridi-tails X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 2406 Lines: 67 CHANGE 35 CURRENT LANGUAGE: It is possible to add "tail terms" after an afterthought-connected pair of bridi tails; the tail terms are applied equally to each logically connected bridi-tail. It is not possible to add tail terms with forethought connection. PROPOSED CHANGE: Permit tail terms after a forethought connection. The BNF rule which changes is as follows: > gek-bridi-tail<54> = gek bridi-tail gik bridi-tail-3 | > tag KE gek-bridi-tail /KEhE#/ | NA # gek-bridi-tail becomes: > gek-bridi-tail<54> = gek bridi-tail gik bridi-tail tail-terms | > tag KE gek-bridi-tail /KEhE#/ | NA # gek-bridi-tail Normally, the additional tail-terms reduces to an elidable "vau". Note that a full bridi-tail (possibly with afterthought connectives in it) is now possible as the right-hand connectand; formerly, afterthought connectives in such a context would be outside the gek-bridi-tail's scope. RATIONALE: Consider: 1) mi dunda le mlatu do .ije mi lebna le gerku do I give the cat to-you, and I take the dog from-you. These logically connected bridi share the same sumti in their x1 and x3 places, but have different selbri and x2 sumti. They are therefore candidates for a bridi-tail connection as follows: 2) mi dunda le mlatu do gi'e lebna le gerku do I give the cat to-you and take the dog from-you. Example 2 removes the x1 redundancy, but leaves the x3 redundancy in place. This can be cured by moving x3 to the beginning with a pair of FA tags, but an alternative construction is: 3) mi dunda le mlatu gi'e lebna le gerku vau do I (give the cat and take the dog) from/to you. The explicit "vau" here signals the end of the bridi-tail connection; the remaining term (a "tail term") is shared equally by both halves. With all elidable terminators supplied, Example 3 becomes: 4) mi dunda le mlatu [ku] [vau] gi'e lebna le gerku [ku] vau do [vau] With this change, a forethought version of Example 3 becomes possible: 5) mi ge dunda le mlatu gi lebna le gerku vau do I (both give the cat and take the dog) from/to you. which before was ungrammatical. This change is exceedingly unlikely to affect any existing text; it is possible that an explicit "vau" might need to be added somewhere. -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.